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Comment by PETER MIZON on April 11, 2013 at 12:50pm

hi Ian, call me thick if you want but what is a sell sheet lol I am not looking to be a millionaire that would be like coming up on the lottery with this so what it makes it makes if it doesnt it doesnt bit like yourself realy be nice to leave this planet having some kind of mark we will see, if anyone wants to contact me through email in the UK some companies prehang but only if the job is big enough,I think it could be adapted to smaller hinges, if you have a patent of some kind at least you can prove you was the first with more often than not  but i do realise that there are ways of getting round ideas, most hinges that do something special are hi tech and cost a lot, mine wont put anyone out of work ,  thanks Pete

Comment by PETER MIZON on April 11, 2013 at 5:08pm

Hello John,

 Thanks again for your interest.
 Licensing would be the best way for me to go at this time and would  appreciate your help in this matter.  At the moment,  i just don't have the time to go out and go round all the companies, also i have never done this sort of thing before and wouldn't know how to approach them. plus i need to go to work. 
I can send you more videos of it in action and more info, i have sent some emails out and asked for an NDA but never seem to get a response, so no one gets to see the video and that is why i posted it on buildersinvention site. 
I have UK and USA design patent,looks like you are in the right area to be able to push it forward with your partner selling screws. 
Could you tell me what are the royalty rates i dont have a clue on this.   
 kind regards and look forward to hearing from you, 
Comment by john young on April 11, 2013 at 7:38pm

 I personally take the pin out of the top hinge, screw one half of the top hinge to the frame and door and screw the full hinges on the middle and bottom of the door, line it up and drop the pin in the top hinge and then swing the middle and bottom in to place and screw them in. Also hinges are considered decorative hardware and having open slots to expose a different color frame would not look appealing. And with steel or fire rated doors they are on metal frames the screw for the frame is about 
5/16' long and wouldn't leave enough room for the hinge to ride over the frame and stick out enough to receive the mortise. If it did only 1/16 would be holding in the thread and that's not enough to hold the weight without dropping out of alignment. Now for hollow core wood doors and wood screws its perfect but again there is the open slots to always look at. Personally as a professional door and architectural hardware installer, I would not bother even if the customer didn't mind the open slots being exposed. Also its easier to lift heavy doors from the middle and then rest the weight of the door by aligning the unpinned hinges and using the other hand to drop the pin in the top. With this hinge system you have to grab the door at the top and not the middle and a hinge flopping is hard to align in the mortise with out using one hand to steady it. So the weight of the door is being held at the top if you are lucky enough to not have the hinge flop out of alignment you are still holding the door at the hardest spot.


The biggest drawback is the exposed slots, as I said hinges are also decoritive hardware and that open slot looks bad, of course you could paint the mortise or place a colored backer beind it frist, but thats an extra step.

I think it would be prefect for hollow core doors, they are light enough anyway that you can use a regular hinge and align it in the mortise and screw it in.

We are looking at it to see if its something we think we can help you with, but me as an ex professional door hanger would not use it, but that's just me. Its a great idea and design, but maybe just not enough need to justify the disadvantages.

Comment by PETER MIZON on April 12, 2013 at 1:22am

Ok John no probs, i thought you said you could get it licensed?  you can lift the door from the middle on solid fire doors all you have to do is take the top hinge off, they might be decorative but who looks at them most of the time, the design of the door is the centre of attraction, also, the bigger hole that is left of the keyhole can be turned into a security hinge by screwing pins in them cheers John.

Comment by PETER MIZON on April 12, 2013 at 12:22pm

Hi John, sent a message this morning was in a bit of a hurry,i appreciate everything you pointed out and thought of most of them too,the door i used in the video was quite heavy and had no glass in so in that case was better to lift the top head as when i did the video i had a sore shoulder, another advantage is you can fix the hinges on the door and then fix it straight on the frame tighten and draw round the hinge  which is great for people who are not professional, the hinge can be scaled down for smaller hinges , i have a video hanging a top hung window and a side hung window so if you can imagine not having to climb up a ladder or hire a scaffold or cherry picker would save a lot of money but i can see that it probably isnt everyones cup of tea, i am just looking on the practical side of hanging a door i would think that very few people would look at the screws in an hinge before they walk through the room, i think the art is when the door is shut and you can see the brass or chrome, stainless steel effect of the knuckle on show,it was easy enough to stick some alluminium tape in the cutout before i fixed the hinge but i think i would have  to find the right tape per hinge, the tape i used was from work of some ducting just to see if it made a difference. thanks Peter

Comment by john young on April 12, 2013 at 5:50pm



The door you hung in the video, looked like an 1-3/8" panel door with a window cut out. Thats light to me, the ones I used to deal with in commercial applications were 3/0' 6/8' or 7/0' and some times 4/0' 8/0' solid core fire rated doors and hollow metal doors at 1-3/4 thick. So for me the way I did it with removing the pin first was best.

My contractor customers fired crews just for leaving burr marks on the screws form the screw gun bit skipping and sometimes stripping them, so even the screws have a decorative value. I never had this problem burring the screw heads, I always had my clutch set on my screw gun and they all thought we ran them in by hand because it was clean. Even the screw head phillips slots must be the same, you cant mix a smaller slot with a larger one.


When installing door closers I switched form the screws provided in the pack to self drilling tapping screws and the dimensions were exactly the same buy the slots for the phillips heads were just a little smaller. I had to switch them for the right slot size just to please them, which once I found the right size I always used them after that with no problems. So that open slot would be a huge deal to my past customers and not I hope you can understand why now.

But for the everyday do it yourself-er, it wouldn't be an issue I wouldn't think, but as a professional we couldn't use it if we wanted to for the reasons listed. Now you may find some contractors that overlook it, but they are not good contractors, so some of them would allow it, until the owner or the propertie saw them and made them swap them for the standard ones, not worth the risk if you ask me.


For windows and cabinets it may do well and the average home owner that has no idea on how to really hang a door, might love it. So to get past the only drawback for commercial use, I suggest a stick on backer the exact same color as each hinge to be provided in the pack. But as I said I wouldnt use it, because my pin method is best for me and I would take the pin out of your hinge as well as I think all professionals would also.


So your target market would be the big box do it yourself stores, and window installers and window manufacturers. Im not at all saying it wont sell and do well, but it wont for the market as a whole, just targets.


I  have one of our partners looking at it, he is on the tool side of the company, he may see it different than me, but I highly doubt it because he was a professional contractor before licensing his tool products, but he may see what I said here about the target market.


So what Im saying is we are looking to see if its something we can help you with, its not a " no we dont want it " its me telling you how I see it before you get excited. Most invention companies are going to tell you its a sure winner, thats because they profit from you by selling you services. We dont take or ask for a penny, so we will tell you what we see and why. So if we accept it, it has to have great potential or we are the ones that loose money not you, you only risk time and waiting. If we loose we loose thousands of dollars that you would have paid the others for them to profit win or loose for you. Either way they win, not us !


I will let you know as soon as I know !

Comment by john young on April 12, 2013 at 9:06pm

OK Peter,


Here is his email responce as it was sent unedited :


" It will never fly in the USA if you ask me. Doors aren't hung this way . Usually the pins are pulled from the door ,set the top hinge in first lining up the barrels then pop the pin in. Having the keyholes in the hinge looks like shit when all done. I have to admit the concepts good to a point as far as working with heavy doors but it will never fly in the USA. National Hagar,stanley have the market share here.

Now if the concept was used in commercial application for exterior doors that swing out in warehouses that need security hinges this could work. I think the market for this are is small "

So it is about the same way I saw it. Sorry and good luck, but don't pay ANYONE to help you, if they like it they will pay for it.

Comment by PETER MIZON on April 13, 2013 at 8:18am

Hi John, just a few points, doors have never been hung this way before because ive only just invented it a few years ago, 2 mates ofd mine and myself at work had to hang a door about 4 ft off the ground and it was a heavy fire door in a pub, i was in my late 50s and the other 2 late 40s and we struggled even with a pre drilled hole, the door  you see is a hardwood door and is heavier than it looks it is a 6ft 6inches by 2ft 6 inches wide and 1/3/4 thick if you look at the frame you will see the space left i would never fit a 4 inch fire rated butt hinge to an internal door the hinge would be almost across the edge , the video is meant to show the ease in which a door can be hung, even my wife hung it, the drill i used was my home drill with 12 settings on the clutch which is what you heard as it finished drilling bearing in mind that stainless steel screws do chew up after a few times of taking the door on and off,with hardwood i usualy drill a pilot hole and use a normal drill driver ,i only use my impact driver for other types of work, i dont fit doors at work too much now i am 62 but i was in birmingham a month ago and had to take some doors off for the carpet  tile fitter, the doors where hung on lift on hinges but with the architrave on at the top i had to take off the top and middle hinge before i could lift off, then i had to get someone to help me lift the door back on, bit of a pain realy, i cant say i have ever seen stainless steel hinges with loose pins before over in the UK, i have seen steel pin hinges but we are not allowed to use them anymore. perhaps i need to make a more polished video about the design , use metal tape in the cutout or i thought of plastic caps that fit in the remainder of the hole, stainless effect of course, the hinge is a prototype and the countersink would be more perfect with some more work. like i say its just a video to get things moving . Cheers John, hear from you soon Peter

Comment by PETER MIZON on April 14, 2013 at 4:48am

Hi John, bit of a footnote, i forgot i didnt lift the door off the floor i just positioned it and tilted over at the top, if need be you can lift it onto the frame if there is a drop which means you dont need blocks to stand the door on then shims to get it in exactly the position you want,  I had a comment on this site the other day. Comment by Ian Anderson on April 7, 2013 at 2:11pm

Hi Peter,

Wow, thats a great idea! Most of us work alone so stuff like this is a boon.

Where are you on the manufacturing process? Any chance of seeing them in the merchants soon?

 I especially like this as essentially it costs the same to make (virtually) as a regular hinge (once the numbers start to mount up) the benefit is in the genius design and the increased ease of use. Brilliant!




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